Ellen Phelan nee Fanning Moycarky Co Tipperary and Bawnmore Co Kilkenny.

Last November 2012  Liz Kennedy posted  the following comment about her gggrandmother Ellen Phelan:

Today, 11th Nov 2012 I visited the graveyard in Moyne, Co. Tipperary where my gg grandmother Ellen Phelan is buried. She was Ellen Fanning or Fannin and came from Lisaroon, Ballycahill, Co. Tipperary. She was married to Patrick Phelan of Bawnmore, Johnstown, Co. Kilkenny Where I was born). He died in 1892. “

I was delighted to hear from her and intrigued as to how Ellen was related to the Lissaroon Fannings, my ancestors. Unfortunately I have not been able to make contact with Liz.

I did some digging myself and found her marriage record unfortunately there are few details on this to help. No parents’ names which is what I was hoping for.

Marriage of Ellen Fanning and Patrick Phelan 1847

Marriage of Ellen Fanning and Patrick Phelan 1847

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

English: Galmoy, County Kilkenny, Ireland

 

Galmoy is a parish in Co Kilkenny.

Given that Ellen’s address is Moycarkey I wonder if she is related to the Lissaroon Fanning family. I was expecting her address to be Lissaroon or Thurles. I would like to know how she is connected.

The following information is in a comment left by the husband of a descendant of Ellen and Patrick and gives details on their children:

Their son Michael was a publican in Baunmore, who married Bridget Delaney and had 11 children. My wife’s grandfather was living with them in the 1901 census, as was Ellen Fanning, who was by then widowed.

Both Michael and Bridget died young, in 1909 and 1910. Their eldest son took over the pub and was head of the family in the 1911 census, raising his siblings at the age of 18.

Patrick and Ellen’s other son, Jeremiah, also was not a priest, but a farmer in Baunmore with six children.”

I found birth records for these children of Ellen and Patrick Phelan: Jeremiah born in 1849, Margaret in 1853, Michael in 1855 and Thomas in 1857. There may well have been other children.

In Moyne Cemetery Co Tipperary there are two Phelan graves. There are photos of these gravestones  on Jane Lyons’ site http://www.from-ireland.net/photographs-of-moyne-gravestones/nggallery/page/10/

The first gravestone has the following inscription:

Erected by Ellen Phelan Bawnmore in memory of her husband Patrick Phelan died March 13 or 18 1892 aged 70 ? years, also his father Jeremiah died May 1884 aged 50 ? yrs and her child Margaret died young. Nora Phelan died 1948, Edward Phelan Crosspatrick died 22 Feb ? 1952 His wife Bridget interred in Crosspatrick.

There is also a related gravestone for Jeremiah Phelan of Bawnmore who died 7-1-1921, his wife Margaret who died 3-7-1906, their three daughters who died young, their son Patrick who died 20-7-1954 and his wife Catherine who is interred at Crosspatrick. This stone was erected by Margaret Phelan and family.

I am posting what I know in the hopes someone will contact me and be able to fill in the gaps and establish a connection with the Lisaroon Fanning family or not.

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Edmond Fanning and Johanna Darmody of Thurles Co Tipperary Ireland

Market day (August 1848)

Thurles Market Day August 1848

Edmond Fannin and Johanna Darmody my gggreat grandparents were married in Thurles Parish Co Tipperary Ireland on June 16, 1808.

I have just received additional crucial information on them from their marriage record from the parish and also from their children’s’ baptism records.

The address for Edmond is given as Inch which is consistent with him being a son of William Fannin and Sarah Ryan of Lissaroon, although no parents names are given. William Fannin and Pat Darmody and Judith MacGrath witnessed the marriage. The officiating priest was Rev John Hickey.

Johanna Darmody’s address was given as the Race Course Thurles. So now I know where she lived before her marriage and where to look for her Darmody family.

The townland of Racecourse about 1850

The townland of Racecourse about 1850

On the earlier children’s baptism records Edmond’s occupation is given as labourer but in Nov 1813  his occupation was given as farmer and address as Grange. In 1816 his address was also Grange.

The townland of Grange from Griffiths Valuation maps c1850

The townland of Grange from Griffiths Valuation maps c1850

On the parish registers the surname given for all the children and the father is Fannin with the exceptions of Edmond in 1824, Honora in 1823 and Anna Fanning born 1829. In these records Edmond’s surname is listed as Fanning.

In the original records I received Anna was listed as Anne and Honora as Anne. The microfilmed original parish records revealed these inaccuracies.

Civil Parish of Thurles Co Tipperary Ireland showing Racecourse, where Judy Darmody came from and Grange where she and Edmond Fannin lived after their marriage.

In the Tithe Applotment Books 1833 for Race Course there is a Patrick Darmody, Johanna’s father or brother most likely. There are also a number of Callinans  in this townland. They were often godparents for the children of Edmond and Judy Fanning.

Racecourse Townland 1833 in the Tithe Applotment Book

In 1809 Edm Callinan was godparent to John Fannin, in 1810 Andrew Callanan was godparent to Michael Fannin, in 1821 John Callinan is a sponsor to Mary Fannin and a Mary Callinan sponsors Patrick Fannin in 1826.

Sally Darmody in 1823 and Philip Darmody in 1824 are also sponsors.

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